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| Dominic Guglieme | Sep 11 2009, 01:55 PM Post #1 |
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I really wish I had more to say about this. Even now, before the end of the first decade of the new century, it is likely to be one of the worst, if not the worst, attacks of the century. But, there is really not much to say. As a country, we have made little progress in terms of solving any of the problems related to the attacks. Politics are as partisan as ever, and the general public does not seem to know or care. In that sense, little enough has changed. I am not posting this to down-play the loss of life that day, or the economic damage. But, beyond acknowledging the obvious, there is little to say. Dom -September 11, 2009 |
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| WWCD | Sep 11 2009, 04:46 PM Post #2 |
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I've been thinking about this all day, and unfortunately Dom, you're right. Not only have we gone back to normal as if nothing ever happened a mere 8 years later, but the majority were back that way less than 1 year after the fact. The majority opinion says that the terrorists did what they did to deliver a major blow and cripple us, but luckily they failed. Others think it was done to effect change... and unfortunately, they failed there too. So far, we're the same blase, all-for me society we've been for generations, and that doesn't look about to change. It does make you wonder, though... if the events of 9/11/01 weren't enough to make us change our ways... what will it take to actually do so. There are many answers... and they all scare the hell out of me. -Jim |
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| Superiorraw | Sep 12 2009, 06:30 AM Post #3 |
 
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I wont even begin to think that 9/11 could change our world enough that we would love and care for each other and begin to make the right choices. I'm somewhat scared even now to voice my own opinion on this matter, mainly because your own perceptions of me as people might change should I say what I feel. I'm still saddened by 9/11 more at the tradgic loss of life, which is often so thoughtless and un-neccessary than the fact we as humans dont accept what has happened. Undoubtedly as a race we must move on and accept what has happened, I can't argue that, but to simply carry on regardless without any major changes as if nothing at all is happened is utterly foolish. |
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| andersonh1 | Sep 12 2009, 02:21 PM Post #4 |
 
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I think people have forgotten how we all felt when it happened. I think they forgot because they wanted to. Everyone wanted to go back to the comfortable way we felt on September 10th, and ultimately we're going to get complacent and it will happen again. On the anniversary yesterday I was reading some articles about the attacks, and came across a picture of a man falling. He's still unidentified apparently, but it was one of the men who had jumped from the World Trade Center. Just looking at it gave me chills. I can't imagine how desperate you'd have to be to consider jumping to your death from 80 stories up preferable to what waited inside the building. How horrifying would the scene inside have to be? I don't want to know. It was a terrible day. |
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| WWCD | Sep 14 2009, 05:07 PM Post #5 |
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Okay, now I am glad this thread was made, even more so than before. Let me explain via timeline: 31August2000: Christian Alexander Shugart (aka the kid / Lil' Viper) is born. - 1 year passes - 31August2001: afore mentioned turns 1 year old (duh). - 1.5 weeks pass - 11September2001: America attacked on it's own soil for the first time since Pearl Harbor. Christian still too young to have any idea what's going on. - 8 years pass - 12Septmber2009: while staying the night at his grandparents' house, Chrisitan watches a History Channel documentary about 9/11. - 1 day passes - 13September2009: while tucking Christian in, he seems severely distressed and when I finally get him to talk to me, he bursts out with a very emotional concern about the people that died in the Twin Towers 8 years ago. Now, I post this for a very simple reason. I don't know if anyone here has ever seen the look on a child's face that I saw last night, or heard that sort of concern about such a topic from a child. But it all leads me to one simple question: WHY THE HELL DOES A KID HAVE TO BEAR THE BURDEN OF THAT SORT OF EVENT!? And the next question: How does a parent help them through it, when the parents don't really understand it themselves? I know there's no real answers out there, but seriously... am I alone? -Jim |
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| Superiorraw | Sep 14 2009, 08:02 PM Post #6 |
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Precisely.. You dont understand it.. and neither do I. I guess with great comfort and love towards your children, I learnt alot recently through asking questions.. I was always told growing up that 'theres nothing wrong with being honest and asking questions' however, what if you can't get the answers you crave for? What if you can't get the questions answered correctly? No child should have to bare that kind of burden, I cannot imagine what that would be like, things that happened in the 80s were well shielded from me, and I learnt them myself as I got older. I guess your own questions have to be answered first, and do you believe the governments explanations of the events surrounding 9/11, my biggest problem or issue I have with 9/11 is that there are still questions surrounding the event, honest probing questions and concerns that havent been answered. I have other questions too regarding politicians and power, as well as questions regarding world peace etc, I also have grave concerns at the direction in which the USA and the UK are heading... unfortunately I cant get them answered .. I guess maybe I'm a bit lucky in that I dont have to try and shield that from kids or at least explain it to someone.. because that would just frustrate the heck out me.. The best advice I can give is just to tell them that the buildings were attacked by bad people and that since then we all try our best to bring peace.. you dont need me to tell you how or when to love your children, but as adults we do all have a huge responsibility in uniting ourselves to push for world peace... and that goes against any enemy threat. |
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| tarz_an2003 | Sep 14 2009, 08:51 PM Post #7 |
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It's simple and I only have three words to share with you all about this... GEORGE W. BUSH |
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| Dominic Guglieme | Sep 15 2009, 10:53 AM Post #8 |
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I will not blame Bush for the attacks directly. The bungling that led up to them preceeded, (though was continued by), Bush.
To be honest Rich, I thought the UK would be more able to deal with this, given the country's history with the IRA. I still remember over at the old BWTF boards, on September 12 a member from the UK posted something that pissed a few of the guys off, but he was completely right. (And, I had to agree with him, even then.) He pointed out that he really did not feel much sympathy for the US, given the sheer amount of support that the country gave the IRA over the years. As he saw it, we were being childish complaining about terrorism when it happened to us, when large numbers of Americans gave moral and financial support to the IRA. I still see murals, bumper stickers and t-shirts in Boston *celebrating* the IRA. I have met at least one IRA supporter. There are many "open-secret" known IRA supporters in Boston, including at least one shipping company that sent weapons over to them. (I pass the docks the ships left from on my way to work.) A friend of mine used to know a guy who was a *major* supporter back in the day. Sadly, many people think it is just a sort of local flavor, rather than seeing it for what it is. Tor some reason, the IRA is not as bad as the PLO or Al Qida. Jim, as bad as you must have felt explaining things to your son, there is something that bothers me far more. Kids his age or younger will be growing up in a world where terrorism is more normal. I grew up with it as something that happened "over there". But, your boy will grow up with it as normal/expected. Part of me wonders if that makes us less civilized as a country. My neighbors little girl is not quite 4. She is growing up in a world where terrorism is assumed. For me, adjusting to the fact that I could be killed while going to work, (or by an exploding fuel yard near where I live), is still something of an aberration. For her, it will be assumed. Dom |
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| tarz_an2003 | Sep 15 2009, 07:12 PM Post #9 |
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By no means, am I saying that the attacks were Bush's fault... all I'm saying that by having him in office as our national leader at the time, really did no justice to the American People. He just helped himself to his own personal gain and enjoyment it seemed like, and somewhat used the basis of Christianity as a foundation for his campaign which I felt was sorely misrepresented and took advantage of... I personally don't feel like he did anything to "right the ship" while he was in office and failed quite miserably as our president. If anything his lack for thereof caused our nation to fall and plumet more into this recession we're now experiencing if anything!!  |
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| Dominic Guglieme | Sep 17 2009, 09:48 AM Post #10 |
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I agree that Bush was a failure as a president. Even giving him a pass in terms of circumstances, he generally made the most destructive, or at least morally inconsistent, decisions at every point. The real problem is that I am pretty sure Bush and the others knew what they were doing. I tend to buy into the idea that they wanted an enormous deficit as a way to cut expenditures, (starving Leviathan). And, if you consider the religious elements, destabilizing the Middle East makes a sick kind of sense. Dom |
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